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Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 18 2006 @ 04:10 PM CDT
I'll post this here again, but it is the same thing I point out each and every time an ALF action is criticized on these grounds.

There are two reasons an ALF action may be undertaken, one is to immediately relieve the suffering of the animal or to remove it from a situation where it faces such suffering. The other is to inflict damages upon the systemic forces (like the fur industry) that benifit from suffering so that the "system" of suffering is brought down.

In my mind, the one is a little more emotional, the other a little more pragmatic. It is true that farmed animals (forget about appropriate climate, ANY farmed animal) will be inferior to thier wild counterparts. Chances are liberated animals that are set free (as opposed to housed in safe human held places) die pretty quick. Who know what happened along these lines here, but who cares? The pragmatic outcome of an action like this is the detrimental effect it has on the fur industry (or this one fur-farmer as a single manifestation of it). This is important beyond the outcome for these particular mink....

Think about it, the way the industry works, 17,000 mink are one season, one batch of fur so to speak. That means roughly 17000 animals every "batch". If this guy goes out of business, its not just 17000 less mink he gets to fuck with this batch, but 17000 less he gets for each and every possible future "batch".
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Why on Wednesday, October 18 2006 @ 06:12 PM CDT
You're forgetting the impact of removing 17k mink from the market. *Other* mink producers make more money from such an event, able to charge more because demand is increased. So yeah, you put one mink farmer out of business. You empowered another, though. One who will grow to have security guards and mine fields and stuff.
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 18 2006 @ 08:21 PM CDT
That'd be horrid if only it was true. Especially when multiple mink breeders were sabotaged.
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Why on Wednesday, October 18 2006 @ 08:36 PM CDT
Even if they took out every single mink producer in the world, the demand for mink would skyrocket to beyond comprehension (and there might even be a mink bubble). Anyway, google news says 70% of the have been found dead. No idea how many are "recoverable" but probably not many. Sad, especially when it doesn't result in these producers being shut down. But at least they tried.
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 18 2006 @ 10:57 PM CDT
better for them to have died in the wild than at the hands of their 'owners'. one little taste of freedom before death beats zero freedom before death, non?
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 19 2006 @ 10:30 AM CDT
You've based your economics/supply vs demand argument on the assumption that demand for fur is static. I'd say that's wrong and it's why protests and flyers are important. I recall being the freaky vegetarian kid 30 years ago, and see how now my kids' school lunch menus have vegetarian options every meal.....and SHAC was so succesful based on demos...
But beyond that, you argue that limiting supply of fur will raise the price, thus empowering other fur producers...I think a stronger assertion would be that due to a combination of increased risks, additional costs from insurance premiums to security staff and decreasing general demand for the fur, killing mink will be less and less appealing...
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 19 2006 @ 02:27 PM CDT
In retrospect 17k is hardly a drop in the pond, so nevermind my comments.
Spanish ALF release 17,000 mink from 3 separate farms
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 19 2006 @ 10:35 AM CDT
They were going to be killed anyways. I like how we have to have condemning statements every single time an action takes place.