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Domestic Spying Pressed

Big-City Police Seek to Ease Limits Imposed After Abuses Decades Ago

NEW YORK -- Arguing that this city faces a far more perilous world than once imagined, New York's police commissioner wants to toss aside a decades-old federal court decree governing the limits on police spying and surveillance of its own citizenry.

City officials argue that officers need more elbow room to photograph, tape and infiltrate political and social organizations to uproot terror networks. But civil libertarians warn of a return to the unsavory days of old, when New York's police department acquired a reputation for police "black bag" break-ins and spying on political dissidents.

It's a battle with echoes in other cities. In Chicago, officials have already weakened a court decree limiting police spying. In San Francisco, officials have reversed their own 1997 decision and have now joined an FBI terrorism task force, even though FBI surveillance of mosques and peaceful protests could violate the California constitution.

Taken together, these steps suggest a cultural and legal shift driven by fear of terrorism in cities where a civil libertarian impulse once was widely shared. Nowhere is that more noticeable than here.

"The New York Police Department had no conception of the challenge it would face in protecting the city and its people from international terrorism" when it signed the consent decree, city attorneys argue in a federal legal brief. "Clearly, the public interest in law enforcement's ability to protect it from terrorist violence is the most vital priority."

A federal trial court is expected to begin reviewing the New York case in December.

Civil libertarians argue that the fear of police abuses in a war on terror is neither speculative nor paranoid. In New York, Chicago and San Francisco, police spying and surveillance has a long and ignoble history.

"We are seeing a national phenomenon where, in the name of protecting national security against a new and subtle danger, there is a massive effort to eliminate protections for political protest," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "These safeguards were put in place in the aftermath of a documented history of systematic spying, infiltration and dirty tricks by police agencies and the FBI."(Read More)

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 02:21 PM CST
Well, America will still be an okay country, if you don\'t get involved in anything political beyond helping the Democratic or Republican parties.

Just work, shop, watch TV, go to bed, and repeat. You\'ll be fine. That\'s true freedom.
comment by N. Despair
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 06:07 PM CST
Yeah, work shop,etc.,if you can find a job and you earn enough income to live on. Of course, that\'s becoming an impossibility for more and more people, but you better not remind anyone of that fact (or, especially, begin to explore why that is) or you\'ll end up having police agents following you home (if you still have a home) by bus, train and boat.

As for overturning decrees, etc.... What this essentially means is that the police will be granted legal license to do what they\'ve been doing anyway. Does anybody really think they\'ve been following the rules? They just want to continue doing what they\'ve been doing without even the chance of people being able to question them.

comment by Mark Bialkowski
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 08:35 PM CST
So you can get anything approved and foisted on the population by claiming \"it\'s a more dangerous world?\" Damn, then I think since it\'s a more dangerous world, we should overthrow any government that makes the world dangerous. That is, all of \'em.

Sept. 11 2001\'s become a blanket excuse for everything, eh? You don\'t even need to explain how your new powers would have stopped the hijackers from living quietly for months, buying plane tickets, and boarding those planes. Just whip out the boogeyman and enjoy your new power to insert tracking devices up everyone\'s asses.

I\'m hiding under the bed. Wake me when the world ends, in about five years.
comment by rapatista
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 09:39 PM CST
I agree with N. Despair. New York wasn\'t exactly a bastion of freedom under Mussolini-er I mean Giuliani, right?
comment by SCP-New York
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 10:32 PM CST
for more information, see http://www.notbored.org/handschu.html
comment by MarkResist
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, November 29 2002 @ 11:18 PM CST
People are just rolling over for all this Big Brother shit. It\'s really scaring the shit out of me.I think every anti-war action should include some informational outreach concerning domestic facsism and serious alarm sounding. It\'s getting to the point where every week they pass some new draconian measure. Won\'t be long before we all have to get a rectal exam beginning each workday...after they implant the micro-chip in our arms of course
comment by Reverend Chuck0
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 30 2002 @ 11:40 AM CST
I hear that some activists are working on a project to counter bullshit like this. I hear that it will piss off the police immensely. ;-)

I disagree with Mark Resist that people are rolling over for this stuff. Yes, many Americans who are lost in the trance of consumer utopia are unaware, but there are many Americans out there who are pissed off and fighting back. I was just talking with a friend about one of these projects. It may seem like bad times, but Bush and his Democratic cronies are engaged in policies that will unify people in opposition.
comment by ratchet
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 30 2002 @ 03:41 PM CST
it\'s a more dangerous world! give me a twinkie!